Jim Snyder

Tracks straight and turns on a dime!

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article216433675.html Not even because of a wooden paddle

That's assuming his power is sufficient to overcome the current. He hasn't demonstrated that in still water.

We know in the original example the paddler would achieve 9 knots down current while only 1 knot up current. Since the punter is dependent on the ground, which in either case is now moving with respect to his position in the water, I maintain he would be helped less by the following current and hurt more by the opposing one. Kayaker wins!

The difference here in theory is that the paddler is at the mercy or benefit of the current, no matter what. If he had no visual point of reference in perfectly flat water, he would be mercifully unaware of it's effect. How many things in life may be analogous? The punter on the other hand has the ground as his point of reference. Is he limited to five knots in still water because of his strength or the hull speed of his boat? While the paddler is moving forward with respect to the water at five knots while moving backwards with respect to the ground at 95, it's not clear what effect the current would have on the punter. If he was unable to resist the force of the current, his means of propulsion would totally fail.

Sorry, I still don't buy the "locked paddle". I'm willing to call it an "apparently locked paddle" but physics would argue otherwise. The only way to avoid the equal and opposite reaction is paddling in a medium that offers total resistance in a boat that is capable of zero friction. The punter would find his "punt rod" or whatever he calls it useless in your 100 knot current, wouldn't he? When they turn upstream, the hundred knot current would capsize both of them. I'm thinking of taking up punting now.

Ok I'll bite. The current shouldn't matter in either direction but this would be a stupid brain teaser if I weren't missing something. It reminds me of the stupid argument that it's possible to plant a paddle in one place in the water and propel a boat without any backwards paddle motion with respect to water.

Not sure, I haven't posted pictures since the sof construction. This one loaded with no error messages at 4.4 mb.

I was having trouble and found that they would only load if I reduced the file size. 1mb files are fine for screen viewing but it's a pain if you're trying to load a lot of photos to reduce them all. I can only do this one at a time.

Where's Brave Boat Harbor? How long of a trip are you anticipating Jonathan?

I'm a possible at this point so please include me on the list.

I'm out based on conditions and my schedule. Thanks for offering this.

Chance of thunderstorms ramps up around one. Paul, what are your thoughts?

I'm in, pending conditions...

Endomondo does not require an Apple Watch. It is a bit of a battery hog but starting at 100% at the end of the trip I was still well above 50%. As long as you're not looking at your screen a lot it's not an issue. The thing I like most is if I'm paddling solo I can ask someone who is "friends" with me on the app to check in on me in real time. I know a little creepy but if something bad happened the position of my phone would be knowable. Regarding the difference in mileage, whatever Joe used measured nautical miles and mine statute miles. The rest of the difference could be gps error or me noodling around more than he did.

Here's our track: Also some trip data on Endomondo: https://www.endomondo.com/users/4085157/workouts/1149386366 Thanks Joe!

I'm posting to bump this to the top because several people I asked yesterday if they would be going seemed unaware of this trip.

Hey Bob, what day is this? edit: Whoa I just saw the Monday tag...

Bumping to the top. Planning to launch around 10 am.

Hoping to launch out of Odiorne or perhaps Newcastle this Thursday. HT 1:22 pm, fair weather, light winds and 1-2' swells predicted. Route to be determined by interest.

Hoping to launch out of Odiorne or perhaps Newcastle this Thursday. HT 1:15 pm, light winds and 2' swells predicted. Route to be determined by interest.

I use Marineways (http://www.marineways.com/ but find it hard to use my phone in the sun, particularly with sunglasses on.

It might be a trick for me to get there by 9 but I'm potentially in.

Plan is to launch out of Pavillion Beach at about 1:00 on Sunday. Route to be determined by conditions.

The only place I've launched in that area is right there on the Parker River but with the tide ebbing we'd have to paddle against it on the way back. Pavillion Beach or Eagle Hill might be options.