Lbeale Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 A friend of mine is trying to decide between a Force 3 or a Surge. I can adivse regarding the Force 3 but not the Surge-- Does anyone have a Surge ? If so, what are the pros and cons of the boat? Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 A friend of mine is trying to decide between a Force 3 or a Surge. I can adivse regarding the Force 3 but not the Surge-- Does anyone have a Surge ? If so, what are the pros and cons of the boat? Les The Surge is supposed to be a fast light boat. I would advise getting a fancy locking system if the Surge is purchased! -Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djlewis Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 The Surge is supposed to be a fast light boat. I would advise getting a fancy locking system if the Surge is purchased! -Jason The Surge is weird -- light and fast, but weird. For one, it's very difficult to roll, something I experienced myself once. Someone I know who had one also said it was very tricky to paddle backwards. The Force 3 (and 4) is a fine boat in the British/Explorer tradition -- you can't go wrong with it. It is not as light as a Surge, however. --David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEL Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Does anyone have a Surge ? PM sent with info on Surge paddler who can answer questions as owner with experience in boat under variety of uses and conditions. Ed Lawson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gcosloy Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I've paddled a Surge and found it fast and easy to maneuver. There is no skeg, so even if it doesn't need one, the paddler needs to be fairly competent in strong wind and waves. I found the cockpit weird and almost intolerable: a high deck with plenty of room for thighs and knees decending forward rapidly to constrict my size 11.5 feet. The rear combing is too high to allow for lay backs. Best feature 37lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaruguru Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 A friend of mine is trying to decide between a Force 3 or a Surge. I can adivse regarding the Force 3 but not the Surge-- Does anyone have a Surge ? If so, what are the pros and cons of the boat? Les Les, There's a gorgeous barely used Force 3 HV in K-Lite on consignment at CRCK for $3k ($4600 list!). Looks like a MUCH more durable clear hull than others' (I wish my Cetus was as well built!), and I think is only about 45 lbs. I too have a friend looking at this size kayak, but she can't afford this one. Ern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEL Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Looks like a MUCH more durable clear hull than others' I believe those hulls are build with S glass and epoxy which is unusual in "mass" produced kayaks. Should make them tough. Ed Lawson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debd Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Hi, Les, Dave and I have Surges and have paddled them for over ten years. We love them. They are very stable and very seaworthy. They are hard to roll, but a roll just requires practice. We have had them in some pretty precarious situations and they handle beautifully. I have not felt the need to have many different boats. This one seems to be able to do all that I want. deb duncanson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob budd Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 The duncanons' boats carry great brownies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 The duncanons' boats carry great brownies! How "great" are these brownies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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