Hello ALL, First I want to thank you all for this great thread!. I have been working on my roll for the past year..this winter alone in a pool where I live here in middle New Hampshire..kinda picking my way by feel so to speak. I am very interested in the scull discussion. There seems to be identification of two seperate skills... 1 - "If you can scull well enough to bring your head up for air, there is no nead for a spotter". and 2 - support skulling with shoulder (maybe two) in the water. So one appears to be "recovery" and the other "preventative". Am I correct in this assessment?? If so, could some one give me some pointers in the "recovery" scull that allows the ability to relax, get some air, avoid panic, (and all the other stuff I experience when I am working on the third grab for air when the roll, on or off side, is not working exactly as planned!!! gotta love this group..."pass it on" what a great slogan and even greater..the fact that so many agree with it AND practice it!. Thanks maryb New Hampshire oh if there others of you who might be near me(grantham, NH) I would love to have compadries who want to get that combat roll!!! oops! another oh! thanks for the info on the star tests and requirements