Phil Allen

College classmate of mine and she tells a good tale whether on paper or in person. Enjoy the event

Phil

ps: if you ask her, she will confirm that Lobster boat captains do think of sea kayaks as speed bumps

I wrote my name and current contact info on an interior bulkhead with a sharpie "permanent" marker. I know from experience that concentrated ethanol will remove it from most surfaces. Even if it doesn't come off and I were to sell the boat, presumably I'd know the name of the person I'd sold it to.

Phil

Thanks Kevin. Actually been using Grab all day to reimport some PDF files into a Powerpoint presentation for tomorrow. Still it's curious that the maps wont print on the system at my office. Then again, I've never actually tried printing normal google maps out of a web browser.

p

Weird, cause I tried printing from both Safari and Firefox to an Okidata 3200. Safari gave me nothing and Firefox gave me the page URL in black but nothing else.

Phil

I'm using Safari on the mac. To be fair, I tried to print to a PDF which is what didn't work. I'll try a real printer and report back.

Anybody had luck printing the charts? All I get is a blank page?

And on a related note, you can also get a plug-in that provides all the US nautical info for goggle earth at:

http://earthnc.com

It requires a free registration, but otherwise seems to work pretty well. I have no relationship with the company.

Phil

I'm very interested in this kind of play/training, but it's unlikely I could make this weekend.

Phil

expecting surf?

http://sportrx.com

Just a quick update.

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Phil

The problem is the lack of a solid surface under the patient. Most of the movement would be the kayak being pushed down into the water-hence the bear hug idea. I doubt many people would have the strength and endurance to be effective, but I'm curious to hear what other people have been taught. The WFA course with Todd did not address this.

Gay

First off, let me be clear be stating that my discussion of doing compressions on the water is HIGHLY THEORETICAL. I emphasize this not for those contributing to the thread but anyone else who might read this later. Shaila's point about airway always being #1 while on the water is right.

If it's going to work, the CPR giver and the victim have to be on the same surface, hence the straddle boat idea. If my understanding of physics is correct, only when the vic and the rescuer are supported by the same boat(s) do we have any hope of compressing the chest and not just moving the boat/body up and down in the water.

That said, I think the reality is that one's not going to be effective at doing compressions on the water so the only answer to the problem is to pay attention to ANY early warning signs and get off the water ASAP.

Phil

about the only thing that I think could work would be two support boats on the sides of the victim/patients boat with the compression person astride the foredeck of the vics boat doing compression with the vic supported by the rear cockpit bulkehead/back deck/dayhatch. I can't imaging doing that in anything approaching lumpy, but better than not I guess.

Phil

My 0.02$ worth:

I think the problem is getting enough leverage for sufficient compression. CPR often breaks ribs, heimlick (which is close to what I think RickS is suggesting) doesn't usually. It's the upper body mass in CPR that drives the chest compression and the stiff arms carry that to the chest. You'd have to be quite bearlike to do it with just squeezing your arms.

Phil

I will be there this week, I will, I will....

(how many times have I said that now )

any way, should Lorrie and I make it, what's the recommendation on night gear & lighting? headlamps, glowsticks, other?

Phil

definitely!!! although since you have to paddle back another 5 miles with the sharks and such, you might want to stick to gatorade

spoilsport

I'll take the ferry out and wave to you guys from the beach - I'll be the one sipping margaritas and chuckling at you guys.

That's fine, as long as you share once we get there!

Phil

I'm interested.

Phil

Man Joe, that be a big fish!

OK, not going to make it. This s#%^$cks.

Phil

Pre-session paddle meet time? Things have popped up in the schedule, so might not make either but in case I get lucky!

Phil

I spent some time thinking about this last night (maybe too much time), and todays pics help alot. One difference between the bowline and the various sliding hitches that makes me prefer the bowline is the direction of exit of the tail. In the bowline its pointed away from the direction of pull and arguably shouldn't hang as much as other knots where it exits perpendicular to or in the direction of pull.

That said, Rick's heat shrink well wrapped rope tail looks like it would solve the problem for many of the other knots.

Phil

PS: my preference for the bowline only applies in my case where I'm tying in to a close fit webbing connection to the carabiner. If you're directly tying into the carabiner, a knot that snugs down and minimizes sliding would be better IMHO.

No, however in this application my personal preference would be the fisherman's due to compact size and smoother shape as you can make the tail short after loading. It is very secure after being under a load. Just my $ .02. If I were to use a bowline, I would use a double bowline and add a half hitch with the tail for greater security since bowlines can do not so funny things unloaded.

Ed Lawson

Ed

The fisherman's knot I know is two tailed, so are you following an overhand knot back around after the bight?

Phil

John (and Mark),

There's a recent TR from some folks you know who did this trip last weekend on the WildTurkeys website:

http://www.wtpaddlers.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1200

Phil

They tying the belt tow rope to one end of the quickdraw and attaching the biner to the other end on the quick draw? Have I got that right?

Ed Lawson

Yup. You can see the 'biner and quickdraw, but not the knot/tow line on this picture of John Carmody that Jim Wilson took:

(click on the image to be taken to Jim's webshot page).

So can anybody tell me if there's a reason I shouldn't tie a bowline knot to join the line and the quickdraw?

Phil

At a refresher course last weekend, both John Carmody and Todd Wright (instructors) had added short climbing "quickdraws" to their rescue 'biners. In climbing, quickdraws are used between two carabiners to reduce the angle of pull during a fall, so even though they're webbing, they're rated to several hundred pounds. The benefit seemed to be to separate the knot from the 'biner end and decrease the probability of jamming under the deck lines. They're cheap (3-5$) and come in different lenghts (4", 6" and 11"). I've added them to my tow system, but haven't tested them yet.

Phil