Diane Crefeld and my friend Rhonda Rhonda We are both level two I have a perception carolina, 16 feet, blue She has a tsunami, I think, 14 feet?, mango She is working today. phone number for me 508-981-9125 I don't really have an emergecny contact. You can call my sister in NY 914-921-0710 I'll have to talk to Rhonda tonight. I am sorry about the inquiry about ordione point. THe final info just popped up after I posted my question. I guess I needed to refresh. Thanks. Diane