Kevin B (RPS Coach) Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Butts in boat time of 9:30 am at Ordionne Point. We'll go for Rye Harbor as our turn around point. This paddle is designed for those L2 paddlers who want to transition to L3 paddles, so distance and pace may be a bit lower than the traditional L3 paddle that we do here. Conditions permitting, we'll play a little in the rocks, perhaps surf, but it's up to each individual to make that decision. Please post interest here or email me. It is a SNG, so the usual rules apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEL Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Just a note to say this is an excellent trip for anyone starting out paddling looking for a nice introduction/experience on the ocean. More variety than you might expect and even though it is a down and back trip, the terrain/water changes constantly due to tide so both legs are not really the same. If around, I may come along as it is always fun paddle. Ed Lawson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaila_27 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Sounds great! I'll be there. Thanks for setting this up! Shaila Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest _rick Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suwin Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 I'll be there too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brwells Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I'll be there. This was a great paddle earlier this year; look forward to doing it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinfre Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Is this a Level 3 mainly due to distance/pace and the optional rocks & surf (which I'd probably skip)? Any other potentially tricky conditions (strong tide areas, points with big chop, etc.)? Kevin or anyone who's knowledgable about the route could reply. It sounds like a good trip, but after my little adventure out of Gloucester on the 4th of July, I'm being more thorough about knowing what I'm getting into. Thanks, Kevin Fredette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinfre Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Also, I assume the put-in is Seavey Creek, as described in the put-ins section? Thx, Kevin F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin B (RPS Coach) Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 Is this a Level 3 mainly due to distance/pace and the optional rocks & surf (which I'd probably skip)? Any other potentially tricky conditions (strong tide areas, points with big chop, etc.)? Kevin or anyone who's knowledgable about the route could reply. It sounds like a good trip, but after my little adventure out of Gloucester on the 4th of July, I'm being more thorough about knowing what I'm getting into. Thanks, Kevin Fredette Kevin, Look at http://www.nspn.org/paddle_levels.htm for L3 requirements. I'm treating this SNG as a learning via experience trip. It is an L3 trip due to what it can potentially become based on weather, etc. As Ed pointed out above, it is a good place to begin doing L3 trips as the distance is not overwhelming, there are varied conditions to try based on your interest, and there are quite a few available alternatives should the conditions turn out to be less than desirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEL Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Obviously this is not the short answer. What were the conditions that caused you problems on the 4th and what problems did you encounter? Hard to respond without knowing those facts. As a beginning paddler, I find trip level rating discussions as such not all that helpful. For example paddling in four foot swells is totally different and easier than two foot breaking wind waves which in turn is easier than two foot standing waves in a tide rip. So rating a trip by say wave height is tricky. Here is my take which you may find helpful and may or may not be the official interpretation. The general description at the top of the chart gives you a general idea of the character of the trip, the list of maximum conditions indicates the maximum conditions which are anticipated in several categories. If any of these are exceeded, then the trip goes to the next level. To me this means a 20NM trip on perfectly flat water would be a Level 4 trip while a 5NM trip to play in 2 foot surf would be a Level 3 trip. The balance of the chart gives a general idea of the skills expected of participants at different levels. I would assume anyone who has been to a couple of practice sessions would have the skills listed for routine Level 3 trip. Whether they have the overall paddling skills to comfortably participate in a Level 3 trip is another question. The reality is you get them by paddling on Level 3 trips. One of the neat and scary things about kayaking is the same stretch of water can be boring, fun, challenging, or terrifying depending upon the wind, seas, and tide. To keep things interesting , these can change quickly as in during the course of a typical six hour trip. So I have no idea what the trip might actually end up being the day of the trip and neither does anyone else, but educated guesses can be made. Finally, kayaking like many outdoor activities as many subcategories. Some like cruising to see new places, some like to play in rocks and surf, some just want a pleasant day on the water, some seek adventures which may incorporate travel in less traveled places and dealing with what may come in terms of conditions. Some of these have overlapping skill sets and some do not. So you need to dial in what the main feature of the trip will be to ascertain skill set needed. So what is the answer to you question? Beats me, but I read the posting as a trip for newish paddlers who are interested in a modest ocean/coastal trip to expand their experience and comfort zone. Assuming the marine forecast stays as it is, the sea state will be benign and the trip easy. That said and depending upon timing, there maybe a modest current at the entrance to Little Harbor, there are a couple of small headlands where the water close in might be slightly confused due to any swells breaking on the shore, there will likely be some easily avoided and small ledge breaks, any surf on the beaches should be easy, and for those inclined some neat ledges to wander about with modest surges. There are several places to land on the way down and back to Rye and the entire trip is around 10NM. In short, it should be a fun and interesting trip for beginning paddlers and no doubt that is why Kevin picked it for a transitional paddle. My $.02 as a beginning paddler who knows the area. Ed Lawson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Millar Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Bob and I would love to join you, but we're having an adventure in rough water ourselves this weekend. Deb M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinfre Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 OK, I'm in. What's especially helpful is knowing that it's planned as an intro/learning trip, there are alternatives if we start getting into "maximum L3" conditions, and Ed's description of specific spots along the way. Also, not to beat it to death, but I should use the directions to Seavey Creek, right? It's my first time there - at this point in my paddling career it's usually my first time at any put-in. So I just want to make sure of where I'm going. Thx, Kevin F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin B (RPS Coach) Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 OK, I'm in. What's especially helpful is knowing that it's planned as an intro/learning trip, there are alternatives if we start getting into "maximum L3" conditions, and Ed's description of specific spots along the way. Also, not to beat it to death, but I should use the directions to Seavey Creek, right? It's my first time there - at this point in my paddling career it's usually my first time at any put-in. So I just want to make sure of where I'm going. Thx, Kevin F Kevin, Here is the google map: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1268229 There are two places to put in, one on the left as you approach the wooden bridge and one after you go over the bridge. We usually use the dirt parking area on the left just before you go over the wooden bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glil Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Planning to join you. Gay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brwells Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 OK, I'm in. What's especially helpful is knowing that it's planned as an intro/learning trip, there are alternatives if we start getting into "maximum L3" conditions, and Ed's description of specific spots along the way. Thx, Kevin F Kevin, when I took this trip a couple months ago, I also was leery of conditions, waves, etc. But as others poked through rocks and laughed at "interesting" swells and waves, I simply paddled out a bit farther and watched others with a mixture of "so, that's how it's done" and envy. As the day went on, I started adventuring closer and on the way back tried some rock gardening where it seemed easy or where it was easy to bail out and paddle a different way. Also, I was successful for the first time with surfing. But, at any time if I didn't like what was in front of me, I simply stayed away and enjoyed a very nice paddle. As Kevin and Ed have described, this paddle affords one the opportunity to try more advanced things without the necessity to do so. See you there. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenster Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Sounds like a plan. See ya there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcoons Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Alda and I are looking forward to the paddle. Alda Cossi Nighthawk: Red/White Al Coons Cetus: Red/White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gcosloy Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Planning to be there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glil Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Kevin, If you post any major changes after 6:15am on Saturday, could you call 978-257-2262 to let me know? Thanks, Gay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auday1 Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 I just saw the listing. I'm going to try to make it. Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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