bob budd Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/ Duct tape, its not just for breakfast... Quote
TeiMac Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 For a Christmas present in 2003 my husband bought me a Nissan X-terra so I would have an easier time transporting, snowshoes and skiis and snowboards and mountain bikes and rollerblades and kids and dogs and gardening and building supplies and now my kayak. Instead of a bow on the top, there was a case of duct tape in the back. Now thats thoughtfulness. Quote
Dee Hall Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 I'm not kidding. Duct tape is used for sealing ductwork. Duck tape was invented during WWII as a waterproof repair tape. They look very similar, but Duck tape is more waterproof. This is what you want to have as your all-purpose sport repair kit. Quote
christopherG Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 dee, duck tape may be "more waterproof" than duct tape; but have you ever using duck tape on a wet fibreglass hull? or using tape on a wet hull? regardless of our founder's advice aeons ago about carrying it in my emergency kit, i defy anyone to get it to adhere!there is another answer; but it isn't duck tape at all. (don't ask: i cannot remember the name; but i carry it!) Quote
PattyP Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 I didn't even know that Duct tape and Duck tape were two different things! I just thought that Duck tape was kind of a slang for Duct tape. Learn somethin new every day! Quote
SeaBass Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 Duck tape became known as Duct tape because it was later used in HVAC ducts in the post WW II housing boom. Quote
SeaBass Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 After a towel dry, rub the side of the tape role vigorously on the boat, right on the crack , as if sanding, and the friction and heat will dry the spot and start to melt the side of the tape and adhesive creating a dry and sticky surface to accept the tape patch.By the way, there was alot of canoeing /kayaking and boat busting going on long before this club was founded just a few 5 years ago.... so don't blame the founder for just repeating what is common knowledge for the past 40 years. Quote
christopherG Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 i would never dream of being mean to our founder: perish the thought! i simply always carried the stuff at his recommendation: now i believe i have something far better -- available at NESC (ask alex).i still have to be pedantic and ask: how are you going to repair your hull with a dry towel in a raging sea? this is a practical issue, after all, and it is perfectly conceivable that you might crack your much-abused, poor old pintail wide open trying to perform a seal-landing on jagged rocks, requiring instant repair! duct/duck tape may not do the job under real conditions...i think? Quote
SeaBass Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 "how are you going to repair your hull with a dry towel in a raging sea?"You're not...you're going to fill with water..and because its a "raging sea !!", all your chums will be too white-knuckled to do much but offer sympathy..maybe you'll get a tow to the closest shore...better have your cell phone and call a taxi...Now, how'd you get the hole in the first place?.. Rocks?..then you must be close to shore anyway.. Quote
rick stoehrer Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 ahhh, holes in boats...finally, something i know what i am talking about....the biggest "hole" i have seen was a puncture of one hull from the bow of another boat. this was done in rough seas as one fella surfed into another - they both recovered almost immediately and the 2 boats just seemed to barely touch for a moment. the hole-ee didn't know that he had suffered the wound and we had to yell and finally paddle over to tell him.now, the repair was made on land using denzo tape (english plumbers tape - very foul, but will stick underwater), piece of plastic, self tapping screws and yes, duc-t tape. the repair was watertight and we played the rest of the day in some very interesting water off of popham.so no, you don't necesarrilly (sp - not even close!)need to be by the rocks to get the hole in your boat and while dry land is best to make the repair as you get the most stable platform, that whole thing could have been done on the water. Quote
eneumeier Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Despite the drama that results in the need for tape that will stick to a wet hull, there are actually NSPN members who have paddled with the club without ever putting a hole (or having someone else do so) in their boats! If an intact boat and body appeals to you, you can still paddle with this club. :-))Liz N. Quote
djlewis Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 >now, the repair was made on land using denzo tape (english >plumbers tape - very foul, but will stick underwater)I'm glad this came up. Can we sort out the various products for wet repair?I found Denzo tape online. Nigel Foster mentions something called mastic tape, which sounds from his description to be the same gooey, icky, sticky stuff, but very effective. Foster also recommends epoxy putty for emergency repairs.A search for "Mastic tape kayak" also finds something called "Vinyl Mastic Tape for Boat Repair... This tape will fix any crack in your kayak's hull. Durable and easy to use. 12in long by 3in wide". Further searching finds... "Two tapes in one (vinyl and mastic) VM is especially designed for cable sheath repair, splice case and load coil case protection, auxiliary sleeve and cable reel end sealing, drop wire insulating, conduit repair and protection of CATV components plus many other general taping applications. VM Tape is a rubber based mastic laminated to an all weather 0.18 mm (7 mil) vinyl, which provides double""Mastic Tape kayak" also turns up this at a marine store... RUBBER MASTIC TAPE 2228 is made of self-fusing, rubber-based insulating compound. Laminated to an Ethylene Propylene Rubber (EPR) backing that offers moisture resistance and an ability to easliy stretch the tape.Finally, I once got a sheet (not tape) of some stuff from Jed that's supposed to perform the same function. It's black, with a peel-off backing, and is nowhere near as foul as Denzo tape sounds. It is not identified and I forgot what it is and where to get it. Anybody know? --David. Quote
ccarlson Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 That stuff Jed gave you is probably "bitchathane"... aka bituthene. Commonly used as an ice and water barrier beneath roofing shingles. I've been told that it can sometimes be scrounged at building sites around the time roofing is being applied. Quote
Dee Hall Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 I would be surprised to find out that most holes happen when the boat is not in the water. I know of so many incidents that occured when boats were dropped while loading/unloading from the car roof. Quote
djlewis Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Bituthene... that's it... thanks. How well does it work vs, say, Denzo/Mastic tape?--David. Quote
ccarlson Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Well, I haven't holed a boat yet (furiously knocking on wood) so can't say how well it works. But, I've messed around with it a bit and it is VERY sticky so I suspect it would work quite well. It rides in my patch kit along with pieces of plastic milk jugs and ducT tape. Haven't tried the Denzo stuff. Quote
bob budd Posted June 28, 2004 Author Posted June 28, 2004 istory lesson... Is it Duct or Duck? We don’t want you to be confused, so we will explain. The first name for Duct Tape was DUCK. During World War II the U.S. Military needed a waterproof tape to keep the moisture out of ammunition cases. So, they enlisted the Johnson and Johnson Permacel Division to manufacture the tape. Because it was waterproof, everyone referred to it as “duck” tape (like water off a duck’s back). Military personnel discovered that the tape was good for lots more than keeping out water. They used it for Jeep repair, fixing stuff on their guns, strapping equipment to their clothing... the list is endless. After the War, the housing industry was booming and someone discovered that the tape was great for joining the heating and air conditioning duct work. So, the color was changed from army green to the silvery color we are familiar with today and people started to refer to it as “duct tape*.” Therefore, either name is appropriate. Today, Duck® brand Tape is manufactured by Henkel Consumer Adhesives. After thoroughly familiarizing ourselves with the hundreds of duct tapes on the market, we have found Duck® brand Tape to be the most consistent in quality. And, we are delighted with the large array of colors that they manufacture (including camo tape and new “X-Treme Tape” which comes in hot day-glo colors). Jim and I do lots of appearances promoting Duck® brand Tape and do so without reservation. Therefore, we go by both The Duct Tape Guys, and The Duck Tape Guys. And, we use the words Duck and Duct interchangeably throughout our web site. So, whether you call it Duct Tape or Duck Tape... you are still using the “Ultimate Power Tool” in our estimation. A diversified product... Gaff Tape (also Gaffer’s Tape): This special grade of duct tape (often colored black) was developed by the entertainment industry to hold lighting equipment and cables in place and has a dull finish so that it won’t reflect lights. Gaff Tape also has a specially formulated, less tacky adhesive that won’t leave a residue when it is removed. Applications you may be unaware of... Rock and Roll Tape: Whether they can afford gaff tape or just good old black duct tape, underappreciated rock and roll roadies keep the music industry alive thanks to their love of the America’s favorite adhesive. 100 MPH Tape: A name recognizable, no doubt, to U.S. Army Veterans. 200 MPH TAPE: Pit crews across the nation’s auto-racing circuit know that duct tape holds even when you’re going over 200 M.P.H. The nickname was so common, “Duck” brand duct tape manufacturer Manco has even trademarked it! 1,000 M.P.H. tape: The U.S. Navy uses duct tape to repair radomes. A Radome is the dome that fits over a radar antenna. On an airplane, that's usually the nose cone. It has to be transparent to the radar waves. (Any repairs must be radar-transparent, too on fighter aircraft.) Since the planes fly so darn fast, they call it “thousand mile an hour” tape. Missile Tape: The Aerospace industry, according to a Martin Marietta worker, used a green duct tape that they secured and routed wiring and cables on test missiles. They called this green duct tape "missile tape". 1,000 Mile tape: Norman Vaughn, arctic explorer for whom Antarctica’s Mount Vaughn was named, puts it on his dog sled runners to prevent ice build-up and says it lasts 1,000 miles. He is also the one who recommends sleeping with the tape to keep the adhesive pliable in cold climates. Canoeists’ Companion: Very few canoeists would be caught without a roll of duct tape. Why? Hit a rock, rip open the hull, you’re done canoeing unless you have duct tape along! Wisconsin Pewter on a Roll: Any Packer fan will tell you what’s really keeping that cheese on their heads: duct tape. Minnesota (or, insert your own rust-inducing state here) Chrome: In the land of lakes, snow, road salt, and rusty cars, they use duct tape a lot more often than they visit the auto body shop. Hikers’ Helper: Along with a good sleeping bag, a Swiss Army knife, and dry matches, duct tape makes sure outdoors enthusiasts are prepared for anything. Jesus Tape: In Finland and Sweden, they refer to duct tape as “Jesus Tape.” They also refer to it as Gaffer's tape (or "roudarin teippi" in Finnish). Plastic Surgeon on Roll: Pulls skin tight, lifts and separates—we all look better with a little bit of duct tape. First Aid Kit on a Roll: A great emergency substitute for splints, bandages, tourniquets, sutures, etc (see our HMO on a Roll page offering medicinal uses for duct tape - including endorsements by doctors and those in the health services professions). Home of "Duck" brand Duct Tape including travel savings tips http://www.duckproducts.com/ When you get tired of kayaking, join the Duck Tape club http://www.ducktapeclub.com/ Quote
TeiMac Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Adhesive tape (specifically masking tape) was invented in the 1920's by Richard Drew of Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing, Co. (3M). Duct tape (the WWII military version) was first created and manufactured in 1942 (approximate date) by the Johnson and Johnson Permacel Division. Its closest predecessor was medical tape. The original use was to keep moisture out of the ammunition cases. Because it was waterproof, people referred to the tape as "Duck Tape." Also, the tape was made using cotton duck - similar to what was used in their cloth medical tapes. Military personnel quickly discovered that the tape was very versatile and used it to fix their guns, jeeps, aircraft, etc. After the war, the tape was used in the booming housing industry to connect heating and air conditioning duct work together. Soon, the color was changed from Army green to silver to match the ductwork and people started to refer to duck tape as "Duct Tape." Things changed during the 1970s, when the partners at Manco, Inc. placed rolls of duct tape in shrink wrap, making it easier for retailers to stack the sticky rolls. Different grades and colors of duct tape weren´t far behind. Soon, duct tape became the most versatile tool in the household. Quote
markstephens Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 "The length of a message board thread is inversely proportional to its relevance."Just go through the archives and see for yourself.Budd's First Corollary:"The longer the thread, the less it has to do with the stated topic."Anyone? Quote
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